LatinoBuzz: Pamela Yates on How Her Documentary Helped Jail a Guatemalan Dictator for Genocide

LatinoBuzz: Pamela Yates on How Her Documentary Helped Jail a Guatemalan Dictator for Genocide

UPDATE: This
interview was done shortly after General Efrain Rios Montt was convicted of
genocide and crimes against humanity. In a
recent development on May 20, 2013, Guatemala’s highest court overturned
the genocide conviction of the former dictator and ordered that all trial proceedings
be voided going back to April 19, 2013. It is unclear when the trial may
restart.

Documentary films can be eye-opening, thrilling, informative,
maddening, and impactful. But Pamela Yates’ film When the Mountains Tremble has gone beyond any filmmaker’s highest
hopes. Shot in the early 80s amidst a brutal dictatorship in Guatemala her film
was intended to document the government’s repression of the Mayan population
and to shed light on a murderous civil war that the U.S. was funding. Little
did she know that an interview with the General of the army, Efraín Ríos Montt,
who rose to power through a coup would serve as evidence in a genocide trial
against him more than 30 years later.

When the Mountains Tremble was Pamela
Yates’ first feature film and has made an indelible mark on her life. In 2003,
she was asked by an international attorney to review the outtakes from the
interview with Ríos Montt as part of an investigation on a genocide case. Fast
forward to May of 2013, the entire interview was shown in court and admitted as
evidence in the trial against the General. Shortly after General Ríos Montt was
found guilty of genocide and crimes against humanity.

Guatemala’s search for justice and the thrilling story of
using her old footage as evidence unfolds in her most recent film Granito: How to Nail a Dictator. It
premiered at Sundance in 2011 and is part human rights film, part forensic
investigation, and part reunion as Yates returns to the country and people she
had connected with several decades in the past.

This year Yates has come full circle and returned to
Guatemala once again to witness Ríos Montt’s trial. She plans to make a new
film, the final piece in a trilogy of documentaries on Guatemala’s brutal past
and its hopeful future now that impunity is a fading memory.

LatinoBuzz caught up with Yates via email as she was in
Guatemala filming the genocide trial. She talks about using the power of film
to tell meaningful stories and push for social change. She also recounts what
it was like to be in the courtroom as General Ríos Montt was sentenced to 80
years in jail.

When the Mountains Tremble trailer from Skylight Pictures on Vimeo.

Do you consider yourself a
filmmaker or a human rights activist who makes films?

Yates: I’m both an
artist / filmmaker and a human rights defender. I’m a storyteller who uses all
of the beauty and power of cinema to tell tales of human struggles for positive
social change. Like a human rights lawyer who uses the law to rectify wrongs, I
use filmic storytelling for the same effect.

What is your ultimate goal
when making a human rights film? Are you simply documenting events, raising
awareness, or are you advocating for change?

Yates: I’m
artfully documenting a story and always showing a way forward. That’s why our
films are feel good human rights films. Like good human rights defenders we
have an optimistic outlook though we tell difficult stories. And if you make a
great film full of emotion, of pathos, people want to continue to know more, to
work harder. So our feature length documentary films are the flagship for a
whole ecosystem of media offerings. With Granito:
How to Nail a Dictator
we created a companion digital project, a public
online archive of memories from the war, where anyone can go and upload or
access a memory. This is so important in Guatemala where the sole genocide that
happened in the Americas in the 20th century is not taught in high schools or
colleges. It’s here

And we have shorts for classroom use, micro-docs, study
guides and lesson plans. We’ve made a commitment to produce all materials
equally in Spanish and English.

In Granito you talk about the process of revisiting the old footage
and outtakes from your film When the
Mountains Tremble
. Often, the passage of time can change our perception of
certain events. Was there anything that stood out at you or that seemed
different when you looked at the old footage again?

Yates: When you
make a documentary film, after many years the only thing you remember is what
you put into the film, not what you took out. So after 25 years, going back and
looking at all the 16mm outtakes, was a true revelation. And then, in each shot
I was looking at my 25 year younger self. Because we shot double system (16mm
film and 1/4 audio tape) back then, and the cameraman had to turn to me to get
a sound slate for each shot. That gave us the idea for me to be the witness in Granito. It gave the viewer the
opportunity to actually see outside the framing of the 1982 prequel When the Mountains Tremble. And as the
first person witness, it gave me a way to add the layer of filmmaking to the
story – a way to share my experiences from over 3 decades, with the next
generation of engaged filmmakers.

Granito is very
different from your other films because you are a central character in the
story. What did it feel like to be in front of the camera? Was it challenging?

Yates: It was
difficult to get the balance right between telling my story of how I made
choices in life, in filmmaking, with the greater story of Guatemalans’ 30 year
quest for justice for the genocide committed there. But with the team of
filmmakers and writers – my partners Peter Kinoy and Paco de Onís – we worked
hard on the writing and the crafting of the story. In Act 1, I tell the story
of the making of When the Mountains
Tremble
in 1982. But by Act 2 and Act 3, the Guatemalans take over the
story and my story, their story, our destinies are interwoven.

You are currently in
Guatemala. Can you explain what it is you are doing there?

Yates: I was
filming the entire trial of the dictator in Granito:
How to Nail a Dictator,
General Ríos Montt. He was being tried in a
Guatemalan court of law and my filmed interview with him from 1982 was shown in
its entirety by the Prosecution as it rested its case. It’s the first
prosecution of a former head of state in his own country on charges of
genocide. So it’s an enormously significant case in Guatemala, in Latin America
and throughout the whole world. On May 10, 2013 Ríos Montt was convicted of
genocide and crimes against humanity and sentenced to 80 years in prison. I’m
now making the third feature length film in the Guatemalan trilogy about this
as well as releasing a series of short filmed moments from inside the courtroom
called Dictator in the Dock / Dictador en
el Banquillo
and releasing them in Spanish and English here.

When you initially went to
Guatemala in the 1980s to film When the
Mountains Tremble
, you set out to make one singular film about the ongoing
military conflict there. With Granito
you have now made two films about this moment in Guatemala’s history. And now
you are back in Guatemala filming the trial of Rios Montt. What about this
story has compelled you to keep the camera rolling?

Yates: It’s
Guatemala and its incredible beauty and spirituality. It’s a majority
indigenous country and physically it is breathtaking. I think my 30 year
friendship with Rigoberta Menchú always brings me back too. But it is the
people of Guatemala who have never given up their spirited quest for justice
for over 30 years that make for such compelling documentaries. Destiny doesn’t
control your life, but it does place you on a path. It’s how you walk down that
path that determines stories I tell.

Witnessing the trial and
listening to graphic testimony must have been difficult. Were there any stories
in particular that affected you more deeply than others?

Yates: One of the
most difficult moments in the trial were the Maya Ixil women who testified to
being raped and the objects of sexual violence and torture. It went right to
the heart of the genocide claim, that the Army, the state itself killed them
and their children in order to eliminate in part or in whole their community.
To hear their testimony of fetuses being ripped from the wombs of mothers was
utterly inhuman. These women covered their heads and faces in brightly woven
shawls in order to protect their identity. Guatemalan feminists flooded the
courtroom and covered their heads in the same shawls and a show of solidarity
and support.

After the prosecution had put forward nearly 150 eyewitness
survivors, expert witness and military documents, to rest their case, they
projected the interview with General Rios Montt that I did with them in 1982
where he claims command responsibility over the Armed Forces. This was critical
to prove the genocide case, because Ríos Montt’s defense is that he did not
know what was happening, what his officers were doing in the field. In fact
they were carrying out his orders. To see the 86 year old Ríos Montt looking at
his 30 year younger self projected in the courtroom was stunning. Now he looks
old and weak, but in the film footage he looks strong, vital, arrogant. It was
a good reminder of the absolute power he wielded as a ruthless General in 1982.

After spending almost two
months filming the trial what was your emotional reaction when hearing the
verdict?

Yates: I was
elated, I was satisfied, I was glad to be there and share the moment with all
the Guatemalans and their international allies who had worked so hard for this
day to come. Upon hearing the verdict, people spontaneously stood up and
shouted “Justicia! Justicia!” and then began singing this gentle song by
Guatemalan poet Otto Rene Castillo:

Aquí no lloró nadie
Aquí sólo queremos ser humanos
Comer, reír, enamorarse, vivir
Vivir la vida no morirla
Here, no one cried
Here, we only want to be human
Eat, laugh, fall in love, live
Live life not die

Now that the trial is over,
what’s next for you?

Yates: I will work
on editing the new film on the Ríos Montt trial and we are in post-production
on a new film Disruption about
economic human rights. It’s a good news story coming from Latin America.

Your films cover topics that
can sometimes leave the viewer with a heavy heart. I imagine it must have the
same effect on you. Do you ever seek therapy in watching films of a completely
different caliber – something like The
Hangover 3
?

Yates: I’m an
eclectic and avid filmgoer. I try to see everything from romantic comedies to
blockbusters to art house films, world cinema and documentaries. I truly value
the cinema experience, the tribal gathering in the dark to watch something
larger than life. I like to sit in the first row with no heads in front of
mine, and become one with the screen. I always stay for the complete credits so
I can linger in the film’s story just a little longer.

The rise of digital
technology has made it so that anyone can pick up a camera and make a movie.
But, it seems harder for filmmakers to make a living off of making films. You
have had a long and fruitful career as a director. Any advice for young
documentarians?

Yates: The digital
revolution has had a democratizing effect. Now anyone can be a filmmaker, but
to be a good filmmaker is as hard as it ever was. Everyone has access to a pen
and paper, but to be a great writer is difficult. Still, we now have a much
bigger pool of potentially great filmmakers. And I think that is why we are
seeing an explosion in the documentary filmmaking genre. I think it has gotten
easier to make a living from our films, from our filmmaking. There are many
more jobs in nonfiction filmmaking field and more creative DIY opportunities to
get the films seen. My advice to emerging documentary filmmakers would be: try
to find other people, a group, a cooperative that you can work with. Filmmaking
is hard and lonely and decidedly unglamorous. Find like-minded souls and share
the joy and the misery. Celebrate your victories and mark your defeats.
Ultimately documentary filmmaking is not a job, it’s a calling.

When the Mountains Tremble and Granito: How to Nail a Dictator are
streaming for free on PBS.org through May 24 in both English and Spanish. Later
this month both will be released on six platforms including Netflix and iTunes
via New Video/Cinedigm.

Written by Juan Caceres and Vanessa Erazo,
LatinoBuzz is a weekly feature on
SydneysBuzz that highlights
Latino indie talent and upcoming trends in Latino film with the specific
objective of presenting a broad range of Latino voices. Follow
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