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David Goyer Says “Fan Chatter” From “Tiny Portion” Of Audience Doesn’t Represent What Audiences Really Want

David Goyer Says "Fan Chatter" From "Tiny Portion" Of Audience Doesn't Represent What Audiences Really Want

It’s no secret that Christopher Nolan kept his distance from the fanboys during the making of his “The Dark Knight” trilogy, never once stopping by the infamous San Diego Comic-Con or doing much in the way of pandering to the geek audience. In a recent interview with Spinoff Online (via Slashfilm), “Batman Begins” co-writer David Goyer revealed himself to be simpatico with the chilly auteur.

No doubt still feeling burned by the response to “Man Of Steel,” Goyer told the site that he doesn’t much care for fanboy complaints or “internet chatter” saying: “You’re dealing with an incredibly vocal but incredibly tiny sort of [group]. That’s a mistake that I think a lot of networks and movie studios make, is sort of listening too much to [them]. I mean, it’s important to listen to the fan chatter but you’re really talking about a tiny, tiny, tiny portion of your audience that may not be representative of what your mainstream audience actually thinks or feels.”

Goyer eventually boiled down his view to a paraphrase of a Steve Jobs quote: “You don’t give the audience or the consumer what they want, you give them what they don’t even know they want.” 

We have to say, despite not being the biggest Goyer fans, we very much agree with his warnings against catering to such a small, details-obsessed fanbase, as we outlined in our defense of Josh Trank’s changing of the “Fantastic Four” canon. If there’s anything the box office failures of “Kick-Ass” and “Scott Pilgrim vs The World” have proven, it’s that satisfying the fanboy community does not have as direct a correlation to real-world success as both the studios and fans would like. Then again, the ever-pandering Marvel Studios are doing quite well by every rubric that matters, the all-mighty dollar, so what do we know?

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Don't like Goyer but he's right. I invariably type asinine stuff on the internet.


It's not about playing to the fans, it's about making a god-dammed good movie with a coherent script. The Dark Knight, Avengers, The Lego Movie all made a ton of money respectively because they were solid movies, not just because of the subject matter, or how referential they were.


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can see Goyer's arogance continues as he seems to live in a freaking Matrix, where MoS apparently is a huge box office with 95% positive reviews. Critics and fans just love it I guess. How can this guy be such a prick after pretty much destroying Superman character and integrity is beyond me? Goyer and Snyder wasted the big opportunity (that will not repeat itself) to restore Superman to its glory. The movie had all working to its advantage: fan support and really huge hype, Nolan's name plastered all over the place for marketing reasons, big budget, good writer as it seemed, director that for some strange reasons is liked by younger generation, big marketing campaigns. All of that was wasted because with 300 million $ budget noone cared about DECENT AND COHERENT STORY and CHARACTERS. Instead, our duo opted for CGI overload and video game like action scenes with paper thin characters and made Superman a sociopath lacking empathy towards humans he was supposed to protect. This movie is one of the worst I have seen and definitely the biggest disappointment for many years.
I advise both guys to see Captain America 2 – that is how you apply "darker tone" to a pretty much decent and naive character like Steve Rogers. Copying Dark knight in MoS was lazy and just didn't work! Thank God they hired Chris Terio for the sequel! Maybe at least the movie will have a decent story. I'm even not gonna talk about the "inspired" casting for Batman vs Superman.

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Every audience wants a good movie. Goyer has yet to make one.


I don't know anybody (no fanboys anyway) that didn't complain about the last third of the movie. Its pretty reasonable to say that they drop the ball there. I agree that you can't always change your "vision" to satisfy the fans, but nobody needs this amount of destruction porn in a Superman movie. Write characters Goyer, not 45 minutes pointless action sequences.


Its true that fan-chatter is small but loud and likely inconsequential, but I'd argue that it is as useful (for better or worse) to listen to them than looking at box office numbers and thinking "if they showed up for this one then we shouldn't change anything"


I could be mistaken, but I believe the 'internet chatter' and 'complaints' weren't necessarily 'fanboy' (shudder) nit-picking but were rather 'be tonally consistent' or 'craft stronger narrative' or 'make better movie.'

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