Murray: The horrible shows?
Murray: Yeah. My kids will be watching "MTV Cribs," and I'll tell them to get out there and mow the lawn. I try to keep my younger ones away from a lot of the crap shows, and I try to keep my wife away from a lot of the reality shows about the housewives and stuff like that. But as an actor I have a definite problem with a lot of the reality TV. I think it's a cost cutting scam from these producers to have content where they don't have to pay actors.
Goldthwait: And as much as I like to think I've taken the high road (because I do turn off most reality TV), I do slip once in a while [laughs]. I'd love to tell you that I don't have the finale of "RuPaul's Drag Race" DVR'd, but I do because I want Sharon Needles to win. I think he's so rad.
Goldthwait: You did? Godammit, we could have invited him to the premiere! Are you fucking kidding me?
Nope, press day was yesterday before the finale aired that night.
Goldthwait: I could have met Sharon Needles, but I was at the Flaming Saddles on the bar dancing. I said to Joel, "I'm getting up on that bar."
Murray: An old friend of mine owns that so we had to check it out. Couldn't keep Bob of the bar.
Did it take any drinks to get you up there?
Goldthwait: Oh no, I was just up there.
[Laughs] Back to the reality shows, I want to know rights wise, how did you pull this off? They all bear an uncanny resemblance.
Goldthwait: Yeah, I kind of pushed it. But I guess you can get away with it the way SNL does with their parodies. Some of the stuff we really did push. Also, we pushed it a lot with just stealing shots in Times Square with no permits and just shooting it.
Murray: Driving around Manhattan...
Goldthwait: In a car with fake license plates and an underage girl and handguns [laughs]. I told them, "If they pull you over just say in character since I'm filming you from the other car."
Goldthwait: She just turned 18.
Was it tough getting her parents' consent to star in this film?
Goldthwait: Well her parents agree with the message of the movie. I think that's where a lot of her opinions were formed. When she came in, the difference between her and the other kids who had been auditioning, was that she wasn't playing it tragic, or playing it like a Lolita. She just played it with this wholesome craziness. There's a movie that Liza Minelli starred in called "The Sterile Cuckoo," in which she's 20. That was one of the things I wrote about when I wrote her role. That was one of the few things I asked Tara to do, as far as character was involved, to have her watch that movie.
Joel, how did you rationalize the way Frank goes about clearing his head?
Murray: I was saying earlier that I had a buddy who shot himself in the mouth a while back. So that was a really dark place to go. In my mind, I thought when he kills, the headaches go away. He feels so crappy in the beginning of the movie, that every time he shoots somebody he feels better for a minute. That was a thing I thought about while I was doing it.
Mainly after being so low in the shooting and going to that dark place of near suicide, which you bring home with you, as soon as we started shooting people, then it was just fun time.
Goldthwait: Yeah it was a drag. I always like having fun. It was like, Joel's suicidal again today; let's all be quiet, he's in a dark place.
About the reception, there hasn't been a wealth of backlash since it premiered at TIFF last year. Are you ready for some now that it's opening theatrically?
Goldthwait; Well there's some, and I expect it. You know, there's so many people that make their living just bashing and writing horrible things about anyone they think is liberal. I've had some of that happen already, but it's funny because it doesn't really matter what those guys say. They're really just sour grapes and bananas.