What is your own experience with Jane Austen and being an Austenite? How did you get into that fandom?
I studied English at university and I read many of her works and watched many of the shows… I think even in high school I started watching the shows. It's kind of what my mother pushed on me, like "You can only read Brontë and Louisa May Alcott," you know? And I loved it. It's funny and witty and charming. It's kind of like the smart girl gets the cute guy -- it's not even the cute guy, the smart girl gets the bad boy and is able to change him. And about the fandom, I was never the crazy fan at all... I mean, I've dressed up in "Battlestar Galactica" clothes. I've been Starbuck before, I've never been Elizabeth Bennet. I think fandom is great, though. I think it's super fun and it's fun to get into something. As a creator of "Napoleon Dynamite" we've seen crazy fans.
Right, because that has become a cult classic.
It has. And it's very charming. These people are very charming. And, you know, sometimes it goes too far when they put a tattoo on themselves. We just toed that line the whole time of "How can we make the fans love this movie, but also, kind of teasing it just a bit."
There has been this new genre emerging of the Jane Austen film, not just an adaptation of the novels, but a movie about women and Jane Austen and love. Why do you think the need for that genre has emerged?
It's an enduring classic, and girls just keep going back to it. It's the epitome of what we want. We want to be romanced like that. I don't know how it's become movies about Jane Austen.
Like "The Jane Austen Book Club" is about as meta as it gets…
Yes. I don't know. I definitely am in that same club for sure. But [Austenland] is such a joke of a movie. It's just silly. It could have been any fantasy camp. It's "Westworld" for girls. It was done in the '80s and it was called "Dirty Dancing."
You were saying that girls look to Jane Austen to learn about love, and because they want to be romanced. What do you think the moral of "Austenland" is with regard to love and what to expect from love?"
I think the moral -- and I break this at the end -- is "Girls, get your crap together, because it's not real." And that's the whole thing, reality versus fantasy. [Keri Russell's character Jane] had to figure it out herself and stand on her own two feet, and not be so dependent on this fake world, and at that point she finally can find love. Because she took it to the nth degree and she needed a reality check. I think, to my young daughter, I will say "Don't go after the Mr. Nobley [J.J. Feild], I mean Mr. Darcy. Go for the Mr. Bingley." You need to go for that sweet boy. He seemed more real, in that the girl didn't have to change him.
What I like about Mr. Nobley is that he kind of rides the line between a Mr. Wickham and a Mr. Darcy -- you think he's the wrong one for her because he comes off as kind of curmudgeonly, but then he turns out to be the real life nice guy, which is what she thought Martin [Bret McKenzie] was. So, you've come from a trio of very dude-centric films, and now you've come to adapt "Austenland," which is very chick-heavy. Was this the reason behind the women-only marketing campaign and the women-only screenings?
No, that was all Sony, that wasn't my idea at all. I never came into it thinking "Oh, this is just a movie for women." I just wanted to make a movie for myself. I was so sick of... I have a storage unit that is covered with "Gentlemen Broncos" testicles in jars. I mean, it's floor to ceiling testicle jars. And I don't know why we never threw them out. They're leaking, and it's just disgusting. I was like "I gotta get out of this." I needed to feel my voice. And I feel like if I had made a movie with a male protagonist, people would have been like "Oh, well it's not "Napoleon Dynamite."
I needed to go somewhere really different than where I've gone before. And so I just wanted to make a movie for myself. And I wanted to make a fairy tale, because I think those make the best stories. I didn't think "women only" ever, but obviously is it for women. I'm not ashamed to say that. This is a movie for the girls. I made it for my friends, I made it for my mom, I made it for myself. It's a movie that's full of pink feathers and hot servants in faux tans. But it's super bawdy, and not raunchy in a sexual way, but it's bathroom humor. It's got some "boy" in there as well. It's got some based humor that boys typically like.
There's a foal being born…
Exactly. And all that physical humor. When boys see it they're always surprised, like "Woah, I didn't expect that. I didn't expect to laugh the whole time." And Jennifer Coolidge!
Oh, she was so funny! And I liked that her character had no concept of Austen, didn't know what "Pride and Prejudice" was, and showed up to Austenland because she wanted to be romanced. With a character like that, were you trying to appeal to people who haven't really been immersed in Austen, haven't read any of the books, but were interested?
Totally. She's the everyman who's just there for the boys. And you don't have to know any of the manners and the history. She's just there for huge laughs. And she gets a boy too. I mean, they all get boys. Such a summer camp fairy tale.
Speaking of boys, Mr. Nobley is more than just an object for the women -- like "Who's going to win him?" -- because when he pursues Jane [Keri's character], he asserts himself. He's like, "Well, this is my fantasy too, you know. You're seeing it too much from your perspective. What if you're perfect for me too?" Were you trying to teach men anything in this film, knowing that men would probably come being a little skeptical or getting dragged by their girlfriends?
I think that's more for the girls. Yeah, it also says that it's okay for this masculine man to be into the history and be into this, because he's just as into it as Jane is. He's embarrassed at first, but he lets himself slip into that role and he loves it. But it's also the ultimate wish fulfillment that a boy is fantasizing about you just as much as you are about him.
And that's not seen at all in romantic comedies. It's just the girl's perspective. The girl is the one who wants a man, the girl is the one who dreads being single.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.