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August 28, 2013 9:40 AM
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'Passion' Director Brian De Palma Addresses His Critics and Reveals Which Film of His He'd Like To Remake

Like "The Black Dahlia" and "Femme Fatale" before it, "Passion" has elements of lesbianism woven into it. Is there something particular that's drawing you to that theme in this stage of your career?

Not really. I mean, in this case, it was because of the original movie that I was making an English remake of. [The original] was basically this relationship between these two women—an older and younger woman. In our case, they're about the same age. And in the Corneau movie, they kind of played around with the flirting and the sexual tension between them, whereas I just made it a little more explicit.

You've received some accusations of misogyny for some of your past work, but there's feminist commentary that can be drawn from "Passion." Was there any consciousness on your part of injecting any feminist statements into the film?

[Laughs] I don't think so! It's a murder mystery, with one woman manipulating another. And the girls, more or less, had a lot of fun kind of taunting each other, sexually and in any other way. They were having a very good time making this movie.

Well, to think of an example, I think the presentation of Isabelle's jeans ad, wherein a camera phone in a woman's back pocket catches everyone staring at her ass, was a good bit of tongue-in-cheek feminism.

That's based off of an actual ad that I discovered on the Internet. It was made, seemingly, by two random girls. One put a phone in the back pocket of the other, and they started goofing off as they walked around L.A. And the ad went viral, and everybody said "Wow!" And then they found out it was done by two advertising executives.

Oh, wow. You know, a good friend of mine has a still of Noomi, in the company party scene, laughing uncontrollably, as his Facebook cover photo. And I swear I just can't look at it without laughing uncontrollably myself. How would you describe this movie's sense of humor?

Well, first of all, Noomi came up with that. I mean, I didn't know what she was gonna do. Rachel was taunting her relentlessly, and the whole office staff is looking at her, and then she just gives this crazed laugh. Chilling! And I was there to photograph it, basically. They were toying with each other all the time, and these sort of things kind of happened spontaneously.

Anything else notable like that that happened spontaneously?

Well, that kind of mafia kiss that Noomi gives Rachel, when Rachel prances over to her and says, "Why don't we just kiss and make up?" [Laughs] Noomi just grabs her and gives her this kind of kiss of death! And then Rachel, just playing off of it, and realizing she's being watched by Dani [played by Karoline Herfurth], kisses her back. It was just perfect.

I love the moment just after that, when Isabelle tells Dani to "shut up and go back to work."

[Laughs] Yes! "Who do you think you are? Shut up and go back to work."

I'm assuming that was not improvised.

No, that wasn't. But when Rachel comes into the other office, and looks over at [Herfurth's character] and says, "We laugh about your ridiculous crush," my line, that I wrote, was, "I know you're after her ass." Rachel said, "I know you're after her cunt." And I went, "Whoa! Wow." But, I left it the way it was.

So both actresses took advantage of the opportunity to really cut loose with the material?

Ohhhh yeah.

In what many see as a commentary on our culture, there seem to be a lot of films released lately that are gorgeously crafted, yet intentionally shallow, merging highbrow form with lowbrow substance. Since "Passion" is clearly made with a great deal of artistry, but ostensibly silly in many ways, do you think it fits the bill in that regard?

I think I would challenge that perception. This is basically a murder mystery, very much patterned after the original Corneau movie. I know what you're talking about, because I've read those reviews, but I think that they don't quite understand how it veers off in a kind of odd way. The whole idea is to keep the audience guessing about who committed the murder. And the way I did it was to make it all kind of...a dream. Did she actually do it? Did she take too many sleeping pills? Does she know what she's saying? It was basically a way to confuse the audience in terms of who, in fact, committed this crime, unlike the Corneau movie, which reveals the killer right away.

Speaking of remakes, you talked earlier about your enduring classics, and one of them, "Carrie," is about to be released as a remake. How do you feel about the new film?

Well, I know Kimberly Peirce very well, and she called me up, and discussed her approach and told me what they'd done with the script, and we talked about it. I've known Kimberly for years. We used to go to the theater together in New York. And she's an extremely talented director. The stills I've seen for the movie, and the trailer, look really good. So I'm looking forward to seeing it like everyone else.

If you had an opportunity to remake one of your own movies, would you? And if so, which one would it be and why?

Well, "Raising Cain" was an interesting idea that I didn't quite pull off. I think the way it was constructed was too labyrinthine. I started the movie with John Lithgow's story, but in the original script, I really started it with [Lolita Davidovich's character's] story. Oh! And somebody on the Internet recut the movie the way the original script was, and started the movie with the wife's story. And it seemed to work quite well! [Side note: The project he was referring to was in fact one cut by Press Play, a blog on the Indiewire network. Go here to view it.]

Maybe it'll go viral like the jeans ad.

Yeah, right. [Laughs]

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  • Marley82 | August 28, 2013 11:07 AMReply

    It's horribly campy, and awful! Sorry De Palma but it's sad such great actresses had to act in this mess. If anyone wants to watch the original french film check out Love Crimes on Netflix staring Kristen Scott Thomas, its way better than this.

  • JJ Abely | September 4, 2013 9:12 PM

    Sorry, Marley, but De Palma's movie is fabulous, the actresses nail it, and the film's final forty minutes are masterful.