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September 12, 2013 10:12 AM
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Patrick Wilson On Why There Won't Be an 'Insidious 3' and His Love for 'Conjuring' Director James Wan

Both the "Insidious" films and "The Conjuring" work in large part thanks to the great ensemble of actors, but it sure helps you have James Wan calling the shots. How has it been witnessing his evolution over the course of your three films together?

I mean, look, I think with his career he took a big jump with "Insidious" to where he was able to challenge himself and redefine the genre where "Saw" sent movies into this grotesque violent nature, and that was never scary to me. With "Insidious" he wanted to push himself and push convention, and "The Conjuring" moved him right along, and this movie is bold in a different way. No matter how much you talk about actors in movies, it's not an actors' medium; this movie's all James. James is one of the very few guys who not only can master a genre, but in all different spectrum of the genre. I mean you're talking "Saw" and "The Conjuring" and "Insidious 2," They're just completely different films and sides of horror. So even within the genre he's pushed his limits. So it's no surprise to me that "Fast and the Furious 7" was thrown his way, and it's no surprise that he can do comedy, he can do a ton of things. He knows how to work a film and work an audience, and that's reflected in the choices that he makes.

How would you describe your relationship?

I don't know, I mean it's hard to say why you like your buddy. He knows exactly the kind of movie that he wants to make. And when you get there, he's got that balance of being supremely proficient at the movie he wants to make. He knows the lines, he knows the tone, he knows it in his head. But if you're bringing an idea to the table that will make the movie better, he's game for it. To have that sense of focus but be collaborative is a real blessing. He's amazingly ego-free, you just trust him because you know he's gonna bust his tail to make the best movie possible.

I think, from my my side, there's this great reverence for him where it's not like we go and hang out all the time. I mean, I love the guy, we text a lot, we talk a lot, but we have this great working relationship where we bring out the best in each other where I push him and I know he's gonna push me. There's just this commitment to character and story where... Yeah, it's hard to explain, I love the guy, and I would do anything with him, because he's not gonna ask me to do anything, and that's OK. I kept saying, "Listen, I'll drive a smart car in 'Fast and Furious,' it'll be funny," and he's like, "I do not want to bring you around this..." But you know, he's always like, "If it's not worth your time, I'm not gonna ask you." He has a reverence for me that I enjoy and I'm honored by, and I have the same for him. So we'll undoubtedly make many movies together, and they're gonna be good. You know, he wants to push me, he doesn't want to waste my time.

If he were to come to you with a script for "Insidious 3," would you say yes?

Here's the thing, I don't know if he would. I don't know where else you go with Josh Lambert. When you see the film, and see how it ends, it's pretty clear without giving too much away. It took him so much to even want to do a sequel to "Insidious," I felt like I could do a lot more with the character so he was my sort of touchstone, but I just... I don't know where else it could go. I don't know what he could come up with that would make it be interesting for both of us, for me, for Josh Lambert. Like, where else do you go with that guy? He's been through the ringer, and I think the movie sets it up well at the end, to be honest with you. And that's great, that's how it should end.

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  • briana | February 23, 2014 5:46 PMReply

    if they dont make a third, i wont be upset because the second ended really great. on the contrary , if they make a third i definetley will check it out, have a LOT of faith in the people who started the insidious chapters. :)

  • Asia | December 16, 2013 1:44 PMReply

    clearly there's going to be a three, and that's exciting ! I love this directors work. he's the king of cliff hanging and making movies that have several parts. I feel like saw could've kept going if he really wanted too lol. it's like he never stops! Anyways I agree, the lamberts shouldn't be brought up again, but I'm super interested in this new family. the character Alex was clearly haunted by our malicious insidious demon from the first insidious movie. Get ready to here tiptoe through the tulips again folks! that's just my guess. April 3, 2015 is the release date. Can't wait!

  • WOOHOO | September 18, 2013 10:02 AMReply

    I'm pretty sure there will be a sequel. The ending is already begging for it. There's no way that James Wan ended the series like that and there's no way that he "doesn't have a clue on where the story goes now" for the sequel if Insidious 2 ended like that. It'll be SO disappointing if he leaves us with such a huge cliffhanger T.T

  • andrew | September 15, 2013 11:08 PMReply

    after seeing number two i would be very disappointed if they didn't make a number three. i agree, josh's family probably won't be involved anymore, and that's fine. i feel like the insistence to wrap up the story line from the first movie totally derailed the eerie fun from the insidious world. there are so many other stories to tell with the other characters! bring back the artsy, well timed, creepiness from the first--the tiny tim song, the great shooting techniques and well established shots--more more more!

  • Joel | September 15, 2013 7:20 PMReply

    so to be clear, he did not say "there's no insidious chapter 3" because, there obviously will be. he just said that Josh won't be in it, which I'm okay with. his story is over.

  • makenna | September 15, 2013 4:05 PMReply

    please make a chapter 3! In the end of chapter 2. Elise looked behind that girl at the end of the movie and started say oh my god a lot and then it ended so she saw something so you need to make another one because you are going to leave a lot of people confused at the end of chapter 2. So please listen to me and im probably not the only person who thinks this.

  • Sabrina Guzman | September 15, 2013 1:15 PMReply

    Both of those movies were great ! I loved The Conjuring it gave me a rush ! So did Insidious chapter 2 I saw it last night it was good but The Conjuring was better (:

  • Joe | September 15, 2013 12:20 PMReply

    Obviously if they called it Chapter 2 there's going to be more chapters. Plus, the movie has a biggest cliff hanger then the first one, there's little doubt in my mind that tere won't be a Chapter 3

  • Mish | September 14, 2013 6:43 AMReply

    The way Chapter 2 ended, Chapter 3 makes perfect sense. They can think of something, this series is too good to just end it right here especially since it ended the way it did...

  • Kevin | September 14, 2013 6:18 AMReply

    There will be an insidious 3 trust me just saw insidious 2 it was great

  • Joe | September 12, 2013 11:31 AMReply

    "swim with the big stick?"

  • D | September 12, 2013 10:34 PM

    Pretty sure Wilson probably said "swing."