Stepping Back and Featuring the Big(ger) Picture

by indieWIRE (April 9, 1998)

by Eugene Hernandez


Is it any surprise that a stage featuring Miramax' Harvey Weinstein, Polygram's Michael Kuhn, producer Lynda Obst, Variety's Peter Bart, and Viacom's Jonathan Dolgen in a discussion moderated by David Frost would offer a few tasty morsels of insight, and a window into a Hollywood film community that is as plagued by production and distribution issues as the indie scene? The site was last week's Schroders/Variety Big Picture Conference.

As could be expected so soon after the Oscars, the subject immediately turned to "the 'Titanic' phenomenon." On that subject, Obst lamented, "The bar has been raised with respect to studio pictures -- I also think that the bar has been raised in terms of being able to say no to directors -- we've just given enourmous applause on the highest possible scale that we award to a person who went wildly over budget."

As could also be expected, Viacom's Dolgen -- whose company is the recipient of the steady stream of cash carrying the phenomenon to unimaginable depths -- was defensive. Calling the film “a perfect thing.” He gushed, “He’s made a perfect thing on its own terms, its totally engaging, its totally overwhelming in some ways, it uses technology in a new and special way. It makes you feel very much a time and place.” While Harvey Weinstein praised the movie for much more basic reasons, “What they have done is raised the pole for how much money a movie can gross. The potentiality now is all changed, and that’s exciting for the business.”

Obst offered a window into the reality that she and other producers are currently facing. "It's very difficult to make a $20 million studio film," she explained. "By and large if you are going to drive an idea to the market place -- a notion as opposed to a high concept, not a tent pole but a script -- you need a movie star in order to do it," Obst continued, "A small script becomes a $35 million - $40 million movie." For Obst, this situation is pushing her to work more and more with the companies that thrive on the lower budgeted, not quite as star-driven movies. "To me its a problem and its one of the reasons for making movies with a Polygram or a Miramax or a Searchlight -- because there is possibly a way we in which we can get talent to reduce their prices and therefore make movies in the responsible way that these smaller companies are able to do." Whither the indie-minded emerging filmmakers in a world that will place them in competition with the under-worked Hollywood writers and producers? Well, that's going to have to be addressed at the next film festival seminar or IFP event.

In some ways countering what he calls the “conventional wisdom” addressed in some of Obst’s points, Dolgen said, “I don’t really believe that people are honing to that conventional wisdom as people would like to say.” And Obst countered, “The conventional wisdom is in crisis right now because the movie stars who make $20 million a picture aren't systematically opening pictures -- the crisis of the studio system this year is that its not automatic that if you pay $20 million that your baby boomer generation movie star is gonna open that movie." The new star, she explained, is "production," or the effects and spectacle that, as in the case of "Titanic," can only be delivered when studios (in this case Viacom's Paramount and News Corp's FOX) are involved.

For Harvey Weinstein, the crisis is in the scheduling. Never mind the "glut of indies" argument that arises at virtually every gathering of insiders from the indie community. Harvey is battling for screens with Hollywood. "The distribution schedule looks like a mine field combined with a chess board, and its just taking unbelievable skills to be able to dance through that particular situation," Weinstein commented. Obst interjected, "And its driving up marketing costs enormously -- the only way you can compete with a glut of movies is by a glut of marketing."

The ever-probing Frost attempted to steer the conversation to the studio-specialty system that recently saw the addition of a new company at Paramount. "Do you feel that people are sort of copying you Harvey, to try an exploit the cheaper picture?" Weinstein responded plainly, "I feel like Israel and everybody is the six Arab nations." Frost replied, "Do you feel like Netanyahu or Peres?" Harvey concluded, "I feel a bit more like Peres, but we have a good Air Force ..." Next question.

With regard to the way that specialty pictures are being distributed, Peter Bart quizzed Weinstein about the possibility of taking the old "roadshow" approach. "A picture like the 'English Patient' arguably could have opened in one city, charged reserved seats, had an intermission -- it needed an intermission -- there maybe some argument in returning to that...how do you feel about that?"

"I've got 'Cinema Paradiso'," Weinstein explained, "We actually have the director's cut -- which contrary to rumor we didn't cut, it was actually cut by his French producer -- and I think we're going to experiment with that -- because its three hours and ten minutes -- and put an intermission in and see what that does."

"I agree with Michael," Weinstein added, "One of the great things about going to the movies is its so democratic. You just go into the theater. Everybody pays the same price. Its one of the last bastions where there isn't a corporate box and you don't have to feel excluded -- its just so accessible -- which is why its the more popular medium, so I don't want to lose that. But I think when a movie is really long sometimes maybe you can make a special presentation and that way you subsidize the one performance a night that you can get...and I disagree with Peter -- I thought the 'English Patient" was just fine and it grossed $200 million dollars around the world.

Finally, a topic that was on the minds of many on the panel was reactions to Seagram Chairman Edgar Bronfman's comments earlier in the day suggesting that tickets for bigger budget movies should be sold at a higher price. "Rubbish," Polygram's Michael Kuhn stated when asked by Frost for his reaction. He continued, "When I make a movie such as 'Bean', which is coming off a 250 million gross around the world -- it cost 17 million dollars -- why should I be paid less. Because people enjoyed it just as another movie that grossed $250 million and cost $70 million to make. I think its a complete nonsense of an argument." Agreeing, Viacom's Dolgen quipped, "It would have one interesting benefit -- you would actually have the studio lying to up the cost of their film."

posted on April 9, 1998
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