I always told the crew, “Shoot like it’s your last time," because it was a risky thing, making a film about one family. And in a way, it had to be an independent film because you have to earn your access each time. You could never know what the future holds.
That said, Jackie was always very warm to me and the camera and there was nothing off-limits with her. But I think they also saw me enforcing their story on some level and how it reflected the American Dream and how that dream and those expectations were undermined by the economic crisis.
David very much fell victim to the banks. And it was only at the end where he faces his own culpability in that circle, that he says, "I was guilty of it too." No one is above guilt. So I think they saw their story as important even when they were going through hard times. They did not feel that it reflected badly on them, but more that it was a reflection of the times.
I think, if anything, Jackie really shows her strength and her character as she goes through adversity. You think you know who she is in the beginning and you find out by the end that she’s a very different person and you like her a lot more. There was never any shame involved in what was going on.
They’ve no doubt seen the film, correct?
They’ve seen the film. Actually, it was at Sundance at the premiere.
What was going through your head while showing your film to the clan?
With Jackie, I was really scared of what she would think. She was the heart of the story for me and my entry point. So there was a lot of intimate stuff in the movie of her sitting there talking about her first marriage, her most recent one, and financial problems with David. But she really loved the film. She laughed a lot.
She also laughed ahead of the audience because she knew the story and knew what was going to happen. She has a good sense of humor. She laughed a lot in the making of the film. We were in Vegas shooting and someone said, “Oh is that your reality show?” And she said, “No I’m making an art film.” I think she gets it.
But she was also sad. She was sad in the very beginning when Vegas came on the screen. And so I think there’s things in there that make her sad too. She didn’t tell me how she felt when David said she’s a child in the movie. But I know that she felt like she was giving him a lot of support. I imagine it might have been a disappointment when he said that. The thing is, Jackie is also a tough cookie.
You and Jackie are clearly close. What was the toll on you as a filmmaker going on this journey with her?
It was definitely intense. As a documentarian, there’s always a mixture of empathy and sheer gratitude for the privilege to be there. You earn those moments. And I remember in my last film, “THIN,” there’s a devastating scene at the end where one of the characters, Molly, purges. I never thought I would ever film somebody purging, but it turned out to be important for the film and for that illness. So on one hand it’s the horror of what’s happening, and on the other hand you’re just grateful to be there and that they’re comfortable letting you film.
It was hard to see Jackie go through that scene where David is really barking at her. But it also spoke to what they were going through at the time and the stress that David was under. And for me, that scene makes them like a lot of people during the crash. They would be the first to say their situation is not that bad compared to what most people go through. But it also makes them identifiable in a way.
What do you have planned next?
I’m working on a book about wealth. It goes back 20 years in my work. It’s about consumerism and the cycle of boom and growth and how that’s also gone into the international arena in China and Dubai and Ireland.