Toby Jones at the Locarno Film Festival this week.
The headline of a recent article on Indiewire's Criticwire blog
identifying Toby Jones as a "household face" perfectly epitomizes his distinctive presence in contemporary cinema. Jones has played a wide variety of characters, largely in supporting roles, but with his furrowed brow, petite figure and focused gaze, he always stands out. "Berberian Sound Studio," which premiered at the Edinburgh International Film Festival and recently made a stop at the Locarno Film Festival ahead of its North American premiere in Toronto next month, is unquestionably Jones' most significant role since he played Truman Capote in "Infamous." As a sound engineer working on a bizarre Italian giallo and possibly losing his mind, Jones conveys a complex mixture of innocence and emotional instability as the movie veers toward its cryptic climax. It's a uniquely curious project for a uniquely curious actor.
Sitting down with Indiewire in Locarno this week, Jones elaborated on his experience with the movie, how he chooses his roles, and why he won't be moving to Hollywood anytime soon. He also drew from his experience on Oliver Stone's "W." to discuss the current climate of global politics.
"Berberian Sound Studio" has a very fragmented structure and the sound design is especially cryptic. How much of the look and feel of the production did you understand while acting in it?
I could tell from the script that it had this particular relationship with sound. So I knew that would be crucial. Of course, it's very hard to imagine that, but I was aware, when it said that [the character] was going to be dubbed into Italian, that there was going to be a lot of sound gags. I remember a big debate about whether there would be voiceover from the letters from his mother. When Peter said they wouldn't have a voiceover, they were for the viewers to read, I became aware they were going to have all these different relationships with sound, which I think is a fascinating idea.
You don't often play lead characters in film. Why this one?
I would absolutely like to play more leading roles. There's no philosophy -- well, the only philosophy, I suppose, is to try and do different things. The sad thing is that there aren't more films like this being made that I can be part of, because it allows me to act and interpret a role differently from what a mainstream American picture requires, where you need very similar skills on each job. Here, I had to make my own map, and it was hugely satisfying to try to a plot a journey through it. I suppose, for what one might call my career, there's no guiding philosophy other than contrasts.
You mean "one for them, one for me"?
Yes, but often the thing that's hardest for an actor to come to terms with and even harder for people to understand about actors is that you only have what's on the table. There's not a huge pile of scripts at home. It's what happens to be on the table at that moment with your availability. And then you have no control over when these things come out. There are things that I would avoid, so I have the choice to say no, when I feel I'm repeating myself too much. But then there could be a reason to do that with a good director. So I think actors have to have a loose philosophy.
Which is what allows you to do "The Hunger Games" and "Berberian Sound Studio" back to back.
Well, that's like a different industry. The middle has fallen out in terms of budget for moviemaking. You have these microfilms and you have these juggernauts. Dealing with "Hunger Games" specifically, when I talked to [director] Gary [Ross], he was talking about how he wanted to make it, and I think everybody was surprised by the different styles he used within the film. It's not a standard blockbuster. I have a very little thing to do in that film, but when he said, "Do you want to come improvise with Stanley Tucci," I said, "Yeah, I do want to do that." Also, my children love those books. So there's many reasons to do it. And there are economic reasons as well. You're just lucky when something is as good as "Hunger Games," because it can also fund you doing something for nothing, doing a short film or something.
At what point did you first hear about "Berberian Sound Studio"?
'It's boring when people lament the state of cinema, but when the opportunity to make something like this pops up, it's so rare.'
I'd heard about [director] Peter [Strickland] because of his extraordinary first film he'd made, "Katalan Varga," but I'd heard the story even before I saw it. It was very intriguing to me and I remember it stuck in my mind. When I was contacted about meeting Peter for his second film, I had a feeling, having seen "Katalan Varga," that [the second film] would be very interesting, whatever it was. I couldn't predict what it would be like. It was extraordinary to read the script. It's no exaggeration to say I almost immediately wanted to play it. I had some questions about the script, but it was so unusual. It's very hard to get these films made and I was so thrilled that this film was actually going to get made. It's boring when people lament the state of cinema, but when the opportunity to make something like this pops up, it's so rare.
Given the technical qualities of the movie, the script must have been a very unique, descriptive read.
One of the things I really loved about it was that he split the film into five reels, so it says "Reel 1" at the beginning. So it's like we've found these five reels of film. When I read the script I thought that was a fantastic idea for a five-act structure. He chose not to do that in the end. Actually, it did help me to know that there was some kind of structure.
The story is increasingly ambiguous as it moves along. Do you have a precise explanation for what actually happens?
Yeah, I do, but I probably won't ever reveal it because I don't think it's really useful. It would be very hard to act the part if I didn't have a traditional set of aims and an emotional journey, because I knew that he might well chop up the performance and put bits wherever they went. Nevertheless, I felt that I had to have a traditional arc. I could isolate certain facts, and then there was a certain amount decision-making based on that. Every single possibility is still open in the film, even down to the possibility that [the character] never even went to the studio, that it's all a fantasy. It's not Kafka, but there's definitely a nightmarish quality to being trapped in a circuit.
Do you feel sympathy for the character even though his motives are unclear?
I often get sent scripts about little men in big situations. There's a comic element to it, which is forces stacked against this little guy, and how is he going to defeat them? At the beginning, I remember thinking this was like those, but it's more original than that. We sense corruption, decadence and rot everywhere in the film. We intuit that he's going to be the counterpoint to all that because of his sense of disapproval and disgust at the material he's working with and the general atmosphere of the place. But I think by the end the nightmare is that the business of working on the film has eaten him as well and corrupted him in some way.
Next page: Jones on Hitchcock, Hollywood and politics.