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Black Nativity Director Kasi Lemmons Talks About Langston Hughes, Making a Musical

Black Nativity Director Kasi Lemmons Talks About Langston Hughes, Making a Musical

Kasi Lemmons adapts Langston Hughes’ musical retelling of the Nativity story in her new film Black Nativity, which features a superstar cast of Forest Whitaker, Angela Bassett, Jennifer Hudson, Mary J. Blige, and newcomer Jacob Latimore as a teenager searching for the spirit of the holidays after he and his mother (Hudson) are evicted from their apartment. Her previous films include Eve’s Bayou, The Caveman’s Valentine, and Talk to Me

Lemmons spoke with Women and Hollywood about her attachment to Langston Hughes’ work, the new songs she helped co-write for the film, and this year’s bumper crop of films about the black experience. 

Tell me a little bit about why you
wanted to tell this particular story.

One of
the main draws was that I remembered the show. I saw it in Boston when I was about eight. I had these
childhood memories of it. The other major reason was my really strong connection
with Langston Hughes as an artist and historical figure — he’s almost a romantic historical figure to
me. He’s very, very important to me. I really wanted to bring Langston to a
modern audience, a film audience. 

Did you take the show and make it into
a movie, or did you really rewrite the whole thing?

I rewrote
the whole thing. I made it about these people putting on a production of [Hughes’ musical] 
. I wrote a story in which Black Nativity is an element and then I
tried to infuse it into the story, to use it in the story.
 The part that’s really Black Nativity is when
they go to church. 

How long did it take you to write the

A long time. It took me a while to come up with that structure. I think I had
the basic form of it, a first draft, in 2009, and I wrote the last draft fairly
recently. I rewrote it over a period of two or three years, with the major work
being done in 2010 and 2011.

And you
always knew this was something that you were going to direct?

approached me to write and direct it. Celine Rattray [the film’s producer] and
I were meeting about something else. She just happened to bring up this
project and asked, “Would you ever be interested in doing a musical film
version of Black Nativity?” I just jumped out of my seat because I had this
connection to this material. She had seen a wonderful production of it in

Was it
important for you to shoot in Harlem?

Yes, because Harlem is important to Langston, and it just felt right that if
we’re going to do a modern version of Black Nativity, then Harlem would be a
great place to set it.

lyrics that you have in these wonderful songs are by Langston Hughes, but there
is new music written by a couple of composers?

The [new] songs are written primarily by Raphael Saadiq, Taura Stinson, and me. [The musical score is composed by Laura Karpman.] I had written lyrics into the script for the [new] songs, a couple of which survived, and some of which were used as a
jumping-off point for much better lyrics that they then wrote.  There are a couple of completely original
songs and then some songs that are hybrids, like “Silent Night,” “Hush Child,” and “Motherless Child.”

I was
looking at the website for the film today, and three words appeared on the
bottom of it: faith, family, and forgiveness. 
Does that describe the film for

It’s very hard to put a film into [these kinds of categories.] I probably wouldn’t
describe it that same way, but it does fit, for sure. It is about faith, family, and forgiveness.

So if you
had to give a logline for the film, what would you say?

I’d say
it’s a modern fable for our times, and yet it has a fantastical element to it
with the nativity story. The musical experience is unlike anything you’ve seen.

What was
the biggest challenge for you in the shoot?

Wow. I mean, there were so many. The biggest challenge was probably the music. It
seems kind of obvious, but the musical numbers. On the other hand, because we’d
rehearsed them almost like a theatrical production in rehearsal spaces and
spent a lot of time doing it, sometimes those were the smoothest things. 

seems to be an increasing number of movies being made by black directors this
year. Do you think this a trend or an anomaly?

I think a
coincidence makes a trend. I certainly don’t think it was planned this way, and
I can prove that by the fact that it takes so many years to make movies. I
don’t know how long Lee Daniels worked on The
, but for many of us, it’s over two, three, four, five years. 
I think it just happens
to be a year when all these movies got released. 

But, on the other hand, I do think that there’s a reason why in
the past, say, five years, these films have been percolating. I certainly hope
it’s a trend, because I’ve been looking forward to it for a long time, and
specifically a year like this, when there’s a variety of different kinds of
films, it is great.

But at
the same time statistics show that there are only two black female directors on
the top 500 grossing films for the past five years. That’s brutally awful.

It is

Why is it so much more difficult for women of color specifically, and women in
general, to get movies made? Your movie is going to open in 2000 theatres. Not
a single woman-directed film in 2013 opened in more than 2000 screens until
October, when Kimberly Peirce’s


As a
person who has made several movies now and has a body of work, what does this
mean to you, that it’s still so difficult?

I don’t really understand it. I think it’s different in other countries. I know
it’s different in France — there are plenty of female directors there. In India

Do you
feel like something is happening? That different conversations are happening even
though the statistics aren’t changing yet?

Yeah, and
it will change. For sure it will change. You’ve really got to thank God for
Kathryn Bigelow. We have these huge movies directed by women like Catherine
Hardwick (Twilight) and Kathryn
Bigelow with The Hurt Locker. Thank God for them. 

I don’t want to sound
naive, but I don’t know that “highest grossing” is the measure of success. Of
course, it’s a measure of success, but
I don’t know that I would strictly measure success that way. How many really
good films are made by women? But I do think it’s important that we have female
directors making these kinds of films that are for wide audiences. There
have also been a lot of good films — I
mean, The Hurt Locker was a wonderful movie.
But still, percentage-wise, it’s kind of astonishing. I’m not quite sure what
the reason is. I just think we’re kind of low on the list.

Or not
even on the list.

Or not even on it. And we need to talk our way on it. What do you think the
reason is?

Well, in
other countries there’s funding available to films. When you have state funds,
there are diversity issues in terms of funding, and they fund women. The people
in Europe, Australia, and New Zealand are fantastic. They’re really attuned to
the fact that they want other kinds of voices. Their movies are not dominated
by commercial expectations: they’re actually making art instead of business,
and people in theoe countries are interested in those kinds of films.

Exactly. That’s what I’m saying. It’s interesting that we judge everything by
how much it makes. In Hollywood, people aren’t that interested in these voices.
They’re not that interested in new:
they’re interested in what’s been proven,
in trying to recreate the last movie that did great and reusing that

Black Nativity is now in theatres.

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